Our Gang Follies Of 1936

film no. 141

technical details:

Production G-34.

Release no. C-213.

Filmed Sep. 9 to 14, and Sep. 23 to 28, 1935. See the 'miscellaneous' section below for details.

Copyrighted October 29, 1935, by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Corporation. Registration no. LP5924. Renewed June 21, 1963, with registration no. R317572. This copyright is currently due to expire at the end of 2030.

This film had its western premiere at the Four Star Theater in Los Angeles on November 27, 1935.

Released November 30, 1935. It was the 140th film in the series to be released. It was one of the most successful shorts in series history.

All-talking two-reeler.

Opening title: 'Hal Roach presents "Our Gang Follies Of 1936".'

The soundtrack for this film was used for A Little Rascals Color Special made by King-World Productions and presented by Charles King. The resultant film, using puppet animation, was one of five episodes refashioned this way, which were intended to be marketed as a television series that never came to be.

King World Productions episode no. 5, available in both colorized and original black-and-white versions. This version is listed as "Follies Of 1936."

the crew:

Produced by Hal Roach
Credited in the film as a presenter.
Directed by Gus Meins
This credit appears in the film.
Photography: Art Lloyd, A. S. C.
This credit appears in the film.
Film Editor: Bert Jordan
This credit appears in the film.
Sound: William Randall
This credit appears in the film.
Musical Director - Marvin Hatley
Much of the music seems to have been pre-recorded on Sep. 6th, with Hatley being joined by Gilbert Joffy, William Markowitz, Rocco Barbieri, Louis Kosloff, M. Malosek, Haskell Issenhuth, Bob Petkere, K. H. Cunningham, C. Chapelle, Kenneth Apperson, Willard Rush, Dave Chudnow, Harold Rees, E. Skrwanek, Bob Morrow, Joe Cascales and William Nichols. On Sep. 11th, Hatley, Morrow and Cascales were joined by Charles Henry, Darrell Brewer and Ralph De Crescent, and this smaller ensemble played during the actual filming. On Sep. 14th, Hatley, Morrow and Cascales were joined by Joseph Serpico on the final day of filming.
School Teacher - Fern Carter
Since a lot of extra kids were used for this film, several other teachers were brought in temporarily. Marjorie Royce worked only on Sep. 5th, a rehearsal date, apparently for the purpose of teaching Jerry Tucker, who was the only extra kid present. Mrs. Kate Morrison worked from Sep. 9th to 14th, Mrs. Laura Barringer worked from the 10th to the 14th, and Mrs. D. Given worked on the 10th, 11th, 12th and 14th.
Released by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
Indicated in the opening title card.
Passed by the National Board of Review
As indicated in the film.
Western Electric System
As indicated in the film.
Approved by the Production Code Adminstration of the Motion Picture Producers & Distributors of America
Certificate no. 1490.
studio personnel
general manager - Henry Ginsberg
assistant general manager - L. A. French
secretary-treasurer - C. H. Roach
assistant secretary - Mat O'Brien
publicity and advertising - Fred Purner
property department - W. L. Stevens
film editor and sound department - Elmer Raguse
construction supervisor - C. E. Christensen
laboratory superintendent - Charles Levin
process department - Roy Seawright
still photographer - Bud "Stax" Graves
makeup department - Jack Casey
hairdressing - Peggy Zardo
transportation director - Bob Davis
possible uncredited involvement
assistant direction - Probably Gordon Douglas.
writing - Hal Yates, Carl Harbaugh, James Parrott, Charlie Hall, Hal Law, Frank Tashlin and Gordon Douglas may have been among the gag writers.
property department - Charles Oelze was probably involved in this capacity.
titles - Louis McManus probably designed the main titles.
animal training - Tony Campanaro may have been among the animal trainers.
animation - Probably the work of Roy Seawright.

the kids:

George "Spanky" McFarland as "Spanky" aka "Spank"
Featured role. He's the master of ceremonies and leads the other boys in the final dance number.
Billie "Buckwheat" Thomas as "Buckwheat"
Supporting role. He spends the film running from the pitchfork-wielding monkey, and takes part in a couple of the acts.
Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer as "Alfalfa"
Supporting role. He sings to Darla in addition to taking part in the opening medley.
Darla Hood as "Cookie"
Supporting role. She sings her own song as well as being on the receiving end of Alfalfa's. She arrived several days after the production had started and was hastily written in.
Scotty Beckett as "Scotty"
Supporting role. He works backstage and takes part in the final number.
Eugene "Porky" Lee as "Porky"
Supporting role. He blows out the footlights and handles the sound effects during the skeleton dance.
Dickie DeNeut
Supporting role. He spends the film sitting on eggs.
Dickie Jones as "Dickie"
Supporting role. He works backstage and takes part in the final number.
Sidney Kibrick
Supporting role. He works backstage and takes part in the final number.
Betty, Doris and Gwen Brian
Small part. Listed as The Bryan Sisters by Maltin & Bann, and listed in casting directories as the Three Brian Sisters. They play the "Three Farmer Girls." They sing their own song, and probably provide the backup vocals for Darla's. Betty, the girl on the right, is the oldest. Doris, sitting in the middle, is the second oldest, while Gwen, on the left, is the youngest. The press release lists this third girl as Gwynn. This doesn't mean much, though, since it lists their last name as Byian.
Jimmy Sommerville, Buddy Londelius, Ward Londelius, Cary McCann and Peter Troncale
Small parts. These five worked for one day on the shooting, making ten dollars each while most of the other kids in the film made $7.50 a day. On other shooting dates, the musical performers consistently made $10, so it seems that these five boys performed the skeleton dance (which would mean that the regulars in the Gang did not). Jimmy Sommerville, for one, was credited in a 1937 casting directory for dancing in this film, and is not seen in any of the other acts. These boys were most probably among The Bud Murray Dancers listed by Maltin & Bann. It also appears that all five of them pulled double-duty on the final day of shooting, a day on which shots of the audience were taken. Pete Troncale, for instance, gets a closeup reacting to the dance that he himself takes part in. Also, as Buckwheat runs across the stage being chased by the monkey, Pete can be seen at the far right of the front row.
Jerry Tucker
Small part. He's shown several times in the front row, particularly as he reacts to Darla.
Leonard Kibrick
Small part. He's shown several times in the front row.
Joy Wurgaft
Small part. She sings the introduction to Alfalfa's song, and is also standing next to Jerry in the opening scene.
Charles "Junior" Kavenaugh and Garrett Joplin
Small parts. According to the press release, they're the two tap-dancing boys in the opening sequence. I'm pretty sure Kavenaugh is on the left. Maltin & Bann spell the second boy's first name "Garret." These two most probably were among The Bud Murray Dancers listed by the authors.
Patsy Northrop, Peggy Speth and Georgia Bark
Small parts. According to the press release, they're the three hula dancing girls in the opening sequence. Left to right, they are Northrop, Speth and Bark, and all three are among the chorus line seen later in the film, with Speth third from the right, Northrop second from the left, and Bark third from the left.
Bonnie Lynn, Janet Johnson, Donna Hartley, Elizabeth Gage, Charlene Barry, Joan Gray and Doreen Rubin
Small parts. These are the remaining seven girls in the "Follys Chorus." Together with the three hula girls listed above, they make up the Ten Meglin Kiddies listed by Maltin & Bann. From left to right, the ten girls are Lynn, Northrop, Bark, Johnson, Hartley, Gage, Barry, Speth, Gray, and Rubin, this last one being the little out-of-step girl to the far right.
Rex Downing
Small part. He sits in the front row, and is also seen sneaking two other boys into the barn.
Harold Switzer
Small part. He also sits in the front row.
Jackie White
Small part. Spanky helps her with her dress.
Leona McDowell, Joyce Kay and Patty Kelly
Small parts. Leona (listed by Maltin & Bann as Lona McDowell) is the usherette with the dialogue. The other brunette among them is Joyce Kay. And judging by the clumping of the three names in the payroll ledgers, the fact that all three made the above-average rate of $10, and the fact that all three worked only on Monday and Saturday, which isn't true of anybody else in the film, I'm assuming that the blonde usherette is Patty Kelly.
Daniel Boone
Small part. He's seen in the outdoor scene standing behind Jerry Tucker, and is also the one who gets slid across the front row in his chair.
Harry McCrillis and Billy Lee Wolfstone
Small parts. These two are the fat boys who lift up the other end of their bench when they sit down. They're later seen reacting to the skeleton dance, with McCrillis on the left and Wolfstone in the center. Maltin & Bann list Marvin Trin (actually Strin) for one of these boys.
Philip Hurlic, Albert Randolph, Wendel Phillips and George Sparks
Small part. Philip is at the far left among the black boys. Due to the fact that these four are clumped together every time they appear in the payroll ledger, and the fact that they're the only kids who worked every day of the week except Friday, I'm presuming that the other three names belong to the other three black boys.
Jackie Banning
Bit part. She's the one selling tickets. She made $10 on the 9th for doing this, and then on the 14th, somebody named Jack Banning made $5. This latter date involved getting audience shots, and indeed, there is a girl that looks like her a couple of rows behind the fat boys.
Kathryn "Kay" Frye
Bit part. She appears to be the girl hugging the boy during the skeleton dance.
William McCreary
Bit part. He's the boy with Kay Frye during the skeleton dance.
Audrey Rae Leonard
Bit part. She's shown outside the cellar with her face to the left of Jerry Tucker's as he sings his line. Later, she's sitting in the front row on the right side, second from the left, and is hugging the girl in the aisle seat during the skeleton dance.
Dix Davis
Small part. A 1935 casting directory states that he appeared in this film. It appears that he's the boy on the left who is lifted into the air when the fat boys sit down. He's later seen sitting next to Jerry.
Donald Proffitt
Bit part. He's barely seen backstage, but is visible in some of the publicity photos.
Moyer "Sonny" Bupp
Extra. He's credited in both the ledger and in a 1935 casting directory, and it appears that he's the boy on the right who is lifted into the air when the fat boys sit down. If this is him, then he's on the right in the closeup of the fat boys reacting to the skeleton dance.
Helen Greco
Extra. She sits behind Jerry Tucker and smiles at him as he reacts to Darla. Later known professionally as Helen Grayco.
Paul Hilton
Extra. He sits in the second row behind Leonard Kibrick and Rex Downing.
Barbara Bletcher
Extra. She's sitting behind the main front row boys (Jerry, Rex, Leonard and Harold). She can also be seen in the opening scene, far in the background as the kids shout "We want more!"
Mildred Kornman
Extra. The payroll ledger indicates that she worked in this film. I'm pretty sure she's the tall girl in the plaid dress in the upper right of one of the shots of the kids clamouring to buy tickets. Inside the barn, she's sitting to the right behind the fat boys.
Barbara Goodrich
Extra. Her face is shown in one of the outdoor shots.
Drew Roddy
Extra. His face is to the left of Daniel Boone's in the shot where Jerry sings his line in the opening scene.
Jack Egger
Extra. He's sitting up high on a crate to the right of the black boys.
Phillip Marley Rock
Extra. A 1935 casting directory states that he appeared in this film. He's the little fat boy being led through the opening in the fence at the start of the film.
Patty Brown
Extra. Both the ledger and the 1935 directory state that she appeared in this film. She can be seen most easily in the shot where the two boys are lifted up on their bench by the fat boys. She's in back with her head right next to the shelves.
Jackie Lindquist
Extra. He's listed in the ledger, and it appears that he's on the left side in the center of the fourth row during the "We want the Flory Dories" scene.
Hugh Sheridan
Extra. He's listed in the ledger, and seems to be sitting in the aisle seat next to Lindquist. He's best ID'd while the kids are laughing at the final act.
Bonnie Jean Churchill
Extra. She's sitting on the right side of the room in the aisle seat right behind the fat boys, and is best seen as they're first sitting down and causing the other side of the bench to lift up.
Rene Zendejas
Extra. He's sitting on the left side of the crowd, fifth row, second from left.
Tommy McFarland
Extra. He's listed in the ledger, and seems to be on the right side of the room, in the center of the second-to-last row.
Priscilla Lyon
Extra. Based on the ledger, she ought to be in the audience somewhere, and I'm pretty sure she's on the right side of the room in the aisle seat of the back row.
Floyd Fisher
Extra. He's listed in the ledger, and it looks like he's the lower boy on the ladder in the back of the right side of the room.
other kids
Bit parts and extras. According to the press release, over 100 kids were in the film, ranging in age from 15 months to 10 years. The age range is probably accurate, and the number of kids definitely is. Some of these kids worked on all 6 days of the primary week of shooting, including Patty Lou Puett, Eileen Reinke and Clara Jo Thedinga. Patsy Dittemore (May) worked on five of the six days, but I haven't spotted her in the film. The rest of the kids only put in one day of work. Some of these worked only on Sep. 9th, which means that they're in the opening scene at the cellar entrance: Doris Gustafson, Marialice Gump, Gloria Talbot, Jill Herzog, George Taylor, Billy Burton, Paul Durst, Barry Downing and Billy Stone. Also among these kids is Therese Bonner, who's also listed by Maltin & Bann, but I don't yet know which kid she is. A newspaper photo reveals that she was blonde. Then we have a long list of $5 earners on Sep. 14th, which means that they're audience extras: Peter Arnold, Don Asquith, Billie Byrne, Buddy Bowles, Jackie Colombet, Edward Donor, Douglas Deems, David Durst, John Ray Nelson, Arthur Roberts, George Slight, Richard Shaver, Donald Smith, Jjardin Bolotnikoff, Marjorie Campbell, Grace Foster, Marian Farrell, Geraldine House, Lou Ann Jones, Gloria Landers and Dixie Luke. And here's where things get tentative. Of all the money spent on day players on Sep. 14th, $25 of it was spent on the Charley Chase comedy, "Manhattan Monkey Business." If the names clump together like they typically do in the ledgers, then the last five of the $5 earners, which are Suzanne Ransom, Dolores Specack, Sheila Williams, Betty Van Allen and Marry Lou Webb, would be the ones in the Chase comedy. But both Ransom and Van Allen are kids, while George Slight has the same name as an adult actor of the era, so perhaps the clump of five doesn't happen at the bottom of the list. Maltin & Bann list a couple of names that aren't supported by the ledger: Billy Minder and Delmar Watson. Yvonne Lohn is credited in both the ledger and in the 1935 casting directory, but I'm not sure which kid she is. Janet Comerford is listed for this film in the Players Directory, but her sister, Lorraine Comerford is in the ledger. In the directory, Lorraine is shown just below Janet, so perhaps their info was mistakenly switched. Patsy Barry signed photos from this film, but she isn't listed in the ledger either. Also, there was some additional shooting that took place on Sep. 28th that involved Merrill Strong somehow.

the animals:

Supporting role. Listed by Maltin & Bann as Elmer the Monkey. However, it turns out that the "Elmer" in "Bear Facts" (no. 164) was named George. He chases Buckwheat around throughout the film, and ends up poking a pin into Spanky's rear end during the final number. This could possibly be the earlier Joe the Monk.
Bit part. The MGM lion appears at the opening of the film.
other animals
Small parts and bit parts. The remaining animals are the chicken that Dickie De Nuet replaces on the nest, and the three or four chicks that hatch.

the adults:

This is one of the few Our Gang films without adults in its cast.

the music:

"Good Old Days" by Leroy Shield
Copyrighted Jan. 10, 1931.
(A15.) This is played over the opening titles. The last half-verse is played over the end title.
"Step Up, Kids!" by T. Marvin Hatley and Gus Meins
Copyrighted Oct. 1, 1935. Music by Hatley and lyrics by Meins. This is the opening medley sung by Spanky and interspersed with piece 141, "She'll Be Comin' Round The Mountain" and "Honolulu Baby." An instrumental version plays as the kids enter the barn and take their seats. It returns as the Flory Dory number goes awry.
piece 141
This is the tune that's played during the opening medley while the two boys tapdance.
"She'll Be Comin' Round The Mountain"
Originally a negro spiritual entitled "When The Chariot Comes." The retitled version was a popular Appalachian song in the 19th century, and also sung by railroad workers in the latter part of that century. In this film, it's sung by Alfalfa as part of the opening medley. Hatley's arrangement was copyrighted on Mar. 8, 1935. Maltin & Bann state that this is a takeoff on the Gene Autry musical "Comin' Round The Mountain," but this film wasn't released until Dec. 31, 1936.
"Honolulu Baby" by T. Marvin Hatley
Copyrighted Oct. 18, 1933. In this film, an instrumental version is played while three girls hula dance during the opening medley. This song was introduced in the Laurel & Hardy feature "Sons Of The Desert."
"Crow-Hop" by Leroy Shield
Copyrighted Feb. 19, 1936. Part of this piece is played as the monkey lights the footlights.
"Good Morning Children" by T. Marvin Hatley
Copyrighted Jan. 2, 1934. This is the piece that the chorus line dances to.
"How Ya Gonna Keep 'Em Down On The Farm (After They've Seen Paree)" by Walter Donaldson, Sam M. Lewis and Joe Young
Published in 1919, with music by Donaldson, and lyrics by Lewis and Young. This song was a number two hit for Nora Bayes that same year. In this film, it's sung by The Bryan Sisters. On Mar. 17, 1937, a Hatley arrangement of this song was copyrighted for the film "Pick A Star."
"I'll Never Say 'Never Again' Again" by Harry McGregor Woods
Copyrighted 1935. Ozzie Nelson & His Orchestra had a number 4 hit with this song the same year. In this film, it's sung by Darla.
"The Ghost Frolic" by T. Marvin Hatley
Copyrighted Oct. 1, 1935. This is the music accompanying the skeleton dance.
"The Object Of My Affection" by Pinky Tomlin, Coy Poe and Jimmie Grier
Published in 1934. Jimmie Grier & His Orchestra (with vocal by Tomlin) had a number one hit with this song the same year. They also backed The Boswell Sisters on their version, which got to number one in 1935. In this film, it's sung by Alfalfa, with the introduction sung by Joy Wurgaft.
"Narcissus" by Ethelbert Woodbridge Nevin
Published in 1891 as part of Op. 13: "Water Scenes." This is played during the Flory-Dory Sixtette sequence.
other music
The only remaining music in this film is the chanting of 'We want the Flory Dories' by some of the audience.

unused music
"Our Gang" by Dave Franklin
Published in 1935. A new theme song with this title was written for this film, but didn't make it into the final print.


Twelve shooting dates went into the making of this film. It was reported to have been shot over the course of three weeks, but this is only because no shooting happened during the middle week. Almost two months had passed since shooting finished for "Little Sinner" (no. 140). Shooting for "Our Gang Follies Of 1936" started on Sep. 9th and continued until Sep. 14th. After another week, filming started again on Sep. 23rd and continued until Sep. 28th. After this, over a month and a half would pass before the Our Gang unit began filming "Divot Diggers" (no. 142).

On June 6, 1935, Louella Parsons reported the following in her syndicated column: "Wait until the mothers in New York hear this one. Hal Roach, who is here now, is planning to make an 'Our Gang Follies of 1935' and he will shoot part of the picture in New York, using the talented kiddies in the East. The parade of fond mammas will form to the right, once they know there is a chance for their darlings. And the kids are going to have a yearly 'Follies' just the same as the grownups. Spanky McFarland will be featured with Marianne Edwards, Scotty Beckett, Billy Thomas and Karl (Alfalfa) Switzer as the principals. The 'Our Gang Follies' will be started at the Eastern Service Studios at Astoria, L. I., and finish at the Roach Studios at Culver City."

According to an undated press item, this was the first two-reeler to be accorded a world premiere on Broadway. This was arranged by Joe Rivkin, Roach's eastern representative. The film was set to open at the Capitol the next day (which was a Friday). Spanky was scheduled to attend but was dropped because of his commitment to "Trail Of The Lonesome Pine."

The press release states that this short inaugurated the fifteenth year of the series, and that more than 140 of the comedies had been produced.

The Flory-Dory Sixtet was a takeoff on Broadway's Flora Dora Sextette.

If you look closely, you can see an old trunk backstage in this film that reads 'Hal Roach's Rascals "Our Gang".'

On Sep. 25, 1935, the Hollywood Citizen-News published the following by Dallas MacDonnell: "Let's spend a couple of hours on the set of 'Our Gang Follies of 1936,' at the Hal Roach studios and watch Gus Meins direct the Gang...before the camera are Carl Switzer, 6, known as Alfalfa, a cute rascal who portrays the Gang's hillbilly, and Joy Wurgaft, to whom he is singing 'The Object of My Affections'...Alfalfa goes up in his lines a few times, but Mr. Meins has infinite patience - a necessary virtue in directing youngsters, needless to say...Alfalfa affects your risibilities at first sight, so humorous is his expression...they do the scene over and over, before Mr. Meins is satisfied...mothers of the youngsters working in the picture hover in the background ready to shush their offspring, should shushing be needful during a 'take'...and it usually is...
"Scotty Beckett, who is not in this scene, strolls past us, calling out to someone, 'I'm ready for the rest of my school'...technicians kid him, but he has an answer for everything...when Scotty, borrowed by M-G-M for 'Pursuit,' was requested by Director Ed Marin to cry, he told the little 6 year old, 'Scotty, you'll just have to feel it down in your heart, and then you'll grow up to be a big actor.' 'I don't want to be an actor,' protested Scotty, ' I want to be a deep sea diver, so on hot days like this, I'll be out in the ocean.'...we look in vain for our cherished Spanky McFarland, but that brilliant little actor is not on the set...his new leading lady, Darla Jean Hood, is here, however...Darla will not be 4 until Nov. 8, which makes her too young to be interesting, to Spanky's way of thinking.
"Darla's poise is astonishing, and her voice is deep and big and clear...when she begins to sing 'Here Comes Cookie,' we let our jaw drop and stay that way, in our amazement...no wonder they brought this wee brunette all the way from New York, where Joe Rivkin of the Hal Roach organization discovered her singing and dancing in the Green Room of the Edison Hotel...with Darla on the set is Gordon Douglas, assistant director, Kathryn Duffy, her teacher and manager, and the latter's husband, H. L. Braudis, who took her from her home in Oklahoma City to Chicago and New York on the two months' tour, which resulted in her Hal Roach contract...
"Miss Duffy has 500 other youngsters in her school back home, but she left them to launch Darla on her career...we'd like to squeeze one young actor toddling past...he is Porky Lee, rotund 19 months old tot just placed under contract here...he is so amiable and calm of temperament that they utterly failed to make him look frightened in a scene for 'The Little Sinner'...they tried everything and scared everyone on the set except Porky, including the grownups...finally when they fired a gun, Porky looked up at the camera and smiled.
"Buckwheat, 4, the cute colored member of the Gang, who replaced Farina when the latter outgrew the Gang, is pointed out by Ruth Post, Mr. Meins' pleasant secretary...and Miss Post tells us of the love and understanding the director has for children, and how he wins their confidence by talking and playing with them between scenes...one of his greatest joys is his little discovery, Patsy May, aged 17 months...her mother, a professional dancer who resembled Loretta Young, died when the baby was born...the baby, who is under contract to the Roach studios, has talent which can be seen even at her age...few directors in the industry have Mr. Meins' patience with the mothers of screen youngsters...but this quiet blonde man tells us, 'I understand how they feel'...the Spanish would call him 'simpatica'...everyone who meets him is irresistibly drawn by his kindly, simple manner...for 10 years before he did so, he wanted to direct the Gang...you may not know that he has been a cartoonist for Life and Judge, a Fox scenarist and a director for Mack Sennett and Universal...his son, Douglas, is a student at the Los Angeles Junior College...oddly enough, Mr. Meins says if he had it to do all over again, he'd like to have been a teacher...possibly he does not realize how great an influence he is in the lives of the film children he is directing...he is such a hero to them that they must regard him as a fine example...and that is a splendid way of teaching, is it not?"

Some reissue and television prints carry the title "Little Rascals Follies."

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My thanks to the following people for assisting with this page:
Ray Frieders (for passing along the casting directory credits for Frances Bowling)
Joe Moore (for providing the copyright information)
Rob Stone (for providing the production number)
Piet Schreuders (for identifying "Step Up, Kids" and "Good Morning, Children")
Matthew Lydick (for helping out with Jackie Banning and Tommy McFarland, and for the correct spelling of Dickie DeNeut's last name)
Zadock Jarvis (for Junior Kavenaugh's first name and the correct spelling of his last name)
Drina Mohacsi (for help with Helen Greco, Audrey Leonard, Bonnie Churchill, Charline Barry, Donna Hartley, Elizabeth Gage, Janet Johnson and Peggy Speth)
Bob Peterson (for sending the images of William McCreary)
Jesse Brisson (for the correct spelling of Clara Jo Thedinga's last name)
Paul Mular (for providing info on the Cabin Fever laserdiscs)
Steven R. Wright (for pointing out the old trunk backstage)

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